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Der_Schnitter_t
06-08-04, 14:12
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Der_Schnitter_t
06-08-04, 14:12
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Bldrk
06-08-04, 14:20
stimmt das Datum?

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Bldrk
06-08-04, 14:24
hm...nuss wohl stimmen. Ich dachte nur, da Saburo Sakai und seine Mannen noch am 17(!).08.35 was abgschossen haben...
Nach den ersten beiden A-Bomben war es doch aus.

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Tetrapack
06-08-04, 15:12
06.08.45 A-Bombe auf Hiroshima
08.08.45 Sowjetunion erklärt Japan den Krieg
09.08.45 A-Bombe auf Nagasaki
15.08.45 Bereitschaft zur Kapitulation bekanntgegeben (Waffenstillstand)
02.09.45 Unterschrift der Kapitulationsurkunde

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KIMURA
06-08-04, 15:13
Japan blieb bis zum 2.September 45 souverän, solange fanden auch noch vereinzelt Abschüsse statt. Am 15.8.45 erhielten die IJN die Order am Boden und die Einheiten erhielten die Radioansprache des Tenno mit der Kapitulationsansprache. Am 17.8.45 schoss Sakai, zusammen mit W/O Kawachi - eine B-32 südl. von Yokosuka ab. (In Sakai's Biographie ist allerdings von einer B-29 die Rede).

Die Bereitschaft zur Kapitulation wird bei Sakai ebenfalls mit Nachmittag 13.8.45 angegeben.

Kimura

Tetrapack
06-08-04, 15:24
Artikel zum letzten Abschuss von Saburo Sakai

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/stories/b32.html

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
06-08-04, 16:48
das teil soll irgendwas mit 570km/h Vmax gehabt haben, is fast ne nummer zu groß(schnell) für ne Zero

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KIMURA
06-08-04, 17:01
Die Einsatzgeschwindigkeit ist was zählt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Was interessant ist, in Sakai's Biographie wird von "kurz vor Mitternacht" geredet. Sie hätten gelangweilt den ganzen Tag bis zur Dämmerung bei den Zeros gesessen. Neben seiner Rotte, Kawachi/Sakai, hätten sich 8 weitere Zero eingefunden, wobei der Kampfbericht bloss von der Anwesenheit Kawachi/Sakai zeugt.

Kimura

Tetrapack
06-08-04, 18:11
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Saburo Sakai's Last Battle

The 15th and the 16th went by quickly, and it was a little past 11:30 AM on the 17th when we suddenly heard an air raid alarm. We were caught totally off guard because we thought it was all over, and we all stood up with a tense feeling. Intelligence says the enemy is one large bomber flying up the Boso Peninsula. The war is over now, do they still want to fight?

"Commander what should we do? Intercept him?" I asked.

Lt.Cmdr Ibusuki hesitated for a moment, then called the Hikocho and asked something, hung up, and hollered "Start the engines!"

We surrounded Lt.Cmdr. Ibusuki with excitement.

"International law forbids us to attack the enemy after surrender, but it is okay to get back at planes that come to attack us. Come on men! Go get him!" he said.

The pilots who were all frustrated at the sudden surrender sprung on to their planes which were already started. There were ten Zeros and five or six Shiden-kais. I chose the nearest Zero. I thought I would never fly the Zero again, so I was very excited about having the chance to fly again.

It wasn't just because the Zero was nearest to me that I chose the Zero. Ever since it's debut in 1940, I was into my sixth year flying and fighting on the Zero. In fact a Shiden-kai, then the state-of-the-art fighter plane, was paked even closer to where I was than the Zero I flew. However, I instinctively chose the Zero, not even considering the Shiden-kai. the thought that flashed in my mind then was this;

"The Pacific War was started by the Zero. This is probably going to be the last air battle in WW2, and I would want to let the Zero place it's name in history as having fought that last battle!"

Three or four planes followed me up. We were heading for Narita. If you were not a pilot, you may wonder why we would still fight; the war was over and shooting down the enemy was not going to do us any good. On the contrary, we may lose our lives which had been saved. But such logic just did not make sense to us then.

At around this time, the Yokosuka Kokutai was working on the improvement of radio equipment on fighter planes and, performance had improved considerably, so we had no trouble finding the enemy. We found him at 6,000 meters. I had assumed the enemy was a B-29, but what I saw was a completely different aircraft. The single vertical stabilizer was enormous, and sweeped upwards towards the rear. I had never seen this plane before (I later found out that this was the Convair B-32 Dominator).

Altitude 6,000 meter is where the 2nd speed of the Zero's supercharger works best. My wingman got to him first and started shooting. The enemy was obviously surprised at the interception, and started fleeing south, shooting it's defensive guns frantically. I managed to catch up after a while, but the enemy's airspeed was very high. I made a run from the upper right side, but got interrupted by another Zero that got in my way. There were more fighters than the enemy so I had to wait for my turn to attack again. The enemy went into a shallow dive to increase air speed. It was so fast! I thought they used some kind of rocket acceralator device or something.

We had quickly flew past Tateyama and the enemy was fleeing towards Ohshima. I noticed that the enemy was trailing white smoke from the left wing root. Someone's bullet hit the enemy!

"We can get him", I thought. However, I was having a hard time catching up. I noted our fighters started turning back one by one. They were out of 20mm shells. I fired my last cannon shells. Several shells exploded on the enemy's right wing. My wingman followed with a burst. The enemy kept getting lower, and by the time it was near Miyake-jima, it was skimming the water. I thought I should confirm it going down, but if an enemy carrier was around, we would have to fight fresh fighters. Then it would be our turn to die. I turned around and headed back to Yokosuka Kokutai. If my memory is right, the other Zero that followed me to the last attack was another ace, PO1 Komachi.

This apparently became the last air battle of the Pacific War.

According to US records, on august 17th 1945, a B-32 that took off from Iwo Jima on a recon mission over Tokyo splashed down near the Izu islands due to malfunction. All crew were rescued.

Apparently, the action was legal and we were never questioned about this action by McArthur's forces.

Zero-sen No Saigo, Saburo Sakai 1995, ISBN4-06-207770-1

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KIMURA
06-08-04, 20:00
Eben, Tetra. Ich frage mich woher die Differenzen kommen. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Das oben geschilderte ist von hier - ISBN 0-671-56310-6, während Henry Sakaida IJN Ace 37-45 widerum eine B-32 angibt, was er auch wieder im Interview korrigiert.
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Tetrapack
07-08-04, 03:33
Je länger ein Eregnis zurückliegt, desto mehr vermischt sich Erlebtes mit Gehötem/Gelesenem.

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kubanloewe
07-08-04, 12:02
sagt mal ; diese ersten 2 A-Bomben die damals abgeworfen wurden, würden die heute zu den Mini-Nukes zählen ? Alles nachher wurde doch immer mit der soundsovielfachen Sprengkraft der Hiroshimabombe angegeben soweit ich weiß.
schon ne makabre Maßeinheit oder ?

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Carnage2681
07-08-04, 13:21
Heute ist 333 mal so stark wie Little Boy


Würde mich mal interessieren, bei "Broken Arrow" meint da so eine Army Fritze :"60 Km, 100 % Todesrate, alle 10 Km sinkt die Rate um 10 % "

KIMURA
07-08-04, 13:25
Fat Man hatte 20kT, die Little Boy 13kT (TNT) Sprengkraft.


Hier ne Site zu den Sprengkräften div. A-Bomben aus den 60ern. Einige mit über dem 500-fachen der Fat Man.
http://www.strategic-air-command.com/weapons/nuclear_bomb_chart.htm

Kimura

Bldrk
07-08-04, 15:30
Die Russen haben mal ne 57 MT Bombe (Zar-Bombe) auf ner Insel gezündet, das Ergebnis war nen 30km Krater ! Der Atompilz soll 64km in die Höhe geragt haben, mit einem Durchmesser von 600km.

Video 1 (http://www.highjumpers.de/anders/part1.zip)

video 2 (http://www.highjumpers.de/anders/part2.zip)

video 3 (http://www.highjumpers.de/anders/part3.zip)

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Die "Zar-Bombe" war ursprünglich sogar als 100-Megatonnen-Bombe konzipiert, verlor aber durch den Verzicht auf einen Mantel aus spaltbarem Material seine letzte Fissionsstufe und damit 50% dieses ursprünglichen Vernichtungspotentials. Der für den radioaktiven Fallout wesentlich verantwortliche Fissionsanteil betrug somit nur noch 3%, der Rest der Energie wurde durch vergleichsweise Fallout-arme Kernfusion erzeugt. Dadurch wurde diese Bombe zu der saubersten jemals eingesetzten Atombombe, gemessen an ihrer Sprengkraft. Ein Test der vollständigen Version hätte die weltweite radioaktive Belastung durch Atomtests um ca. 25% erhöht. Die Bombe wog 27 Tonnen, war 8 Meter lang und zwei Meter breit und entfaltete eine solche Vernichtungskraft, dass ihr Konstrukteur Andrej Sacharow darüber zum Dissidenten wurde.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quelle: wikipedia.de